Un gol de taco en la cancha del eterno rival en two004 hizo que empezara a meterse en el corazón del hincha de Tigre, y eleventwo tantos, cuatro etapas y una estrella en la primera A después, Carlos Luna se retiró del club en enero de este año. Y del fútbol, en puntas de pie. El Chino, nacido en Piquillín, un pueblito cordobés de mil habitantes, criado sin padre y portando orgulloso el apellido de la madre, nunca fue un dechado de virtudes técnicas, pero con perseverancia y ayuda psicológica pudo creérsela y jugar en Europa y en dos grandes de la Argentina y transformarse en el segundo goleador histórico de Tigre.

With a sensitive heart and easy tear, he says that he cries every time he goes to a recital of his idol, Mona Jiménez, and also every time he returns to his town, and while he doubts to devote himself to the technical direction, to sports direction or toPolitics, for its social inclinations, offers a deep and critical look on the soccer environment in these 100 responses to the nation.

1.- What is the idolatry for you, Chinese?

–Ufff, I don't know [think].My idol is Mona Jiménez, for example.I have a tattoo of him and every time I am going to see him sing it is like that something explodes in my chest, I do not know how to explain what I feel for the guy, it must be similar to what a fan feels when entering the court to encourage to your team.And it's not that I want to be like him, I want to listen to him always sing, I want to go to his dances always, that's.

two.- Did you know him?

- The first time I greeted him was at age 17: I got on stage in Belgrano Society, in Córdoba, I was already in the lower Spanish Sports.We went with the whole group of friends of my town, and at one point I climbed to the stage to give it a hug, just the monkey had gone to the side to drink water, and I ran the security of the stage, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,ha, I was throwing the speakers as I tried not to grab me, until the madman saw me and opened my arms.And there I went."Well, asshole, well," he told me as I hugged me."I love you, mona," I told him.

3.- As well as acknowledged footballer, did you see him again?

- Yes, of course, every time I am in Piquillín, if he plays in Córdoba, we go with my friends to Sergeant Cabral and we always put ourselves in the same place, with sixty -year -old people, who are going to see it for a long time.Every time it sees me, the monkey makes me search and we chat.Once I was surprised: we took the stage on a back staircase and suddenly leaned on me and said: "Help me to climb that I can't walk".Of course, he is a large guy, he has 70 pirulos.He took him half a dotra, sudden.I said: "The passion that this son of a bitch has for what makes him change in a minute".

4.- When and why did you make tattoo?

–En two0fifteen, ya hacía tiempo me lo quería hacer, nos quedamos sin clasificar a la Sudamericana con Alfaro, y estaba muy triste, quería dejar de jugar.Just a girl from the United States came from a friend, they told me that I tattooed and I sent myself.I asked him to tattoo the face of the mona and a passage from El Bohemio, one of the themes: "If God gave me the opportunity to be born again I would do the same thing I did since the day my old woman gave me up".And then I told myself: why am I going to stop playing if it's mine, and I would do the same thing I did since my old woman gave my old woman?And in the end I continued playing almost 6 years, look at you (laughs).I chose that lyrics because it represents me, although the theme that I like the most is "Chinese ink", I was marked since I was a boy, I listened to Sundays in the program I had on the radio.

5.- Explain for those who don't know him so much: what does Mona Jiménez represent?

–To see… (think) the mona was always the one who gave us happiness through a song to all those who had a little deficiencies in life.The madman sings to the laborer, the prostitute, the friend, to the caravanero, who leaves fuck but not because but because it is the only way to have fun, that is the monkey for us the Cordoba.He does not have the voice of Frank Sinatra, ha ha, but we like to sing like this.When I'm going to see it, they start playing and I start crying.There is an energy in there that you cannot explain, you explode, at least that happens to me, and I see large guys, 60 or 70 years that will see it every weekend and are very excited.

6.–I asked what idolatry was.How did you take you to be a tiger idol?Did you feel it like a backpack?

- those who tell me that I am his idol, I answer: “You have to have the idol to Messi, bo...", LOL.I find it hard to accept the word "idol".I don't believe anyone's idol, although obviously I always felt very loved by the people of Tigre.It was never a backpack for me, but quite the opposite, I took it as something in favor, I felt that I could not fail them, that I had to make more goals for the team to win.I felt affection and I didn't want to lose it and that motivated me more and led me to strive more.And I don't say it to sell smoke, I have swear to you for God's!(laughs).

7.–Lionel Chino Luna Saavedra.

–Uhhh, poor kid, I hope you have changed the name (laughs), I feel a little guilty.The truth is that many little things have happened in these years with the people of Tigre, they write to me people who put their daughters Luna, Victoria or Giovanna, on the court.A couple recorded "Chino Luna" in the marriage rings because they met a goal of mine.There are also tattoos.People are crazy.

8.–Who is Carlos Ariel Luna?

–A village boy who had the illusion of being a footballer and who had to work a lot to get it.That path was gratifying, and I would do it again.As a footballer I was not talented, but persevering, hard and hardworking.I had that virtue.And I was also lucky to put goals: sometimes I was standing in a corner and thought "the ball is going to fall here", and it fell just.

9.–Agrita "Carlos".Do you turn?

–No, nobody calls me like that.In my town, the people who know me since I was a boy out there tell me "Carlitos".The rest, Chinese.

10.- When and why did they put "Chino"?

–He guys we played the ball or war.With the ball or with a stick that we used to stir, there was nothing else.I was 8 or 9 years old and there was a series "Nam, first squad", from the Vietnam War, and one day I had rained, I was all muddy and one said "it looks like a Chinese".And from there it was.The one who put the nick.

eleven.- Also the nickname could have been "ear".

–Ha, ha, they told me ear or ear, they loaded me for the size of my ears, but it never bothered me.In addition, I am super funny, to load everyone so I have the bank and I laugh at myself without problems.

1two.- What do they do in your family?

–I have three brothers who are younger than me: Claudio, Luis and Germán.They are laburants, they continue to live in Piquillín, they are in the construction.They are phenomena, good types: they have many friends, everyone loves them, that is gratifying, it is the most important.Norma, my old woman, worked in a Lavandina bottler and when she ran out of that, she started as a domestic employee.My old man was never in my life, my grandmother took care of us.The best that our old woman gave us were the values: the constant work, get up early and put him forward, even if they were difficult.That is unpayable.We were humble, we lived in two pieces with my brothers, my old woman, my grandmother and some uncle too.He always instilled in us the right way: go to school, education, not do anything strange ...

13.–With “Dos Piecitas”, what do you mean?

- Two Piecitas [laugh].One function of kitchen and in the other we slept.The bathroom was in the background, you had to leave and you fell cold.There I lived until my 17 years, that I came to Buenos Aires to play in Spanish.My obsession was to "make the house to my old woman, make the house to my old woman", that repeated me.And I could fulfill it. El que finalmente le hizo la casa, es mi amigo de la infancia con el que yo laburaba cuando tenía 1two o 13 años.It was his masonry assistant.When I joined enough mangoes, I said: "It makes everything new, but those two pieces do not throw them out, because I want us to always remember where we come from".So he built everything behind the two pieces.

14.- What happened to your dad?

- When my old woman was pregnant he left and made her life.In fact, the Luna surname is from my old woman.I never met him, and at some point I crossed it in the town, nothing mobilized me.From Pibe I felt the absence of a dad, it was painful, especially when I went to the acts and all my classmates had their mother and their dad and my old woman came alone, those things did bother me, I felt a kind of shame, but neverI had the need to look for it.I also did not feel resent.I leaned a lot on my uncles, who supplied my old man quite.

fifteen.- Did you apply many deprivations?

- Very happy in childhood, perhaps not with all the needs covered, there I was going and ate in the school dining room, we used some clothes that gave us, old shoes, but nothing extreme.I did not pass.I was happy because I had the friends of the neighborhood, my brothers and my cousins, because we were playing the ball all day, and that was what gave us the full happiness.

16.- What did you work on?

–Desde los 1two años hacía changuitas de albañilería con mi amigo.Luckily, at the end of the primary I could go to a pupil institute and there ate good.It was in the town of La Puerta, about 100 kilometers from Piquillín: a group passed from Córdoba capital and was lifting the boys in all the villages, so I climbed on Mondays at 5 in the morning and returned the Friday at night.They let me out once a week to train, because at age 13 I already played in Cultural de Arroyito, who is about fifty kilometers from the door.

17.- How did you start in professional football?

- In the town we played on the street all day, the ball was the only toy we had.Earth Street, Architos with bricks and give him ... from there they saw me and invited me to play Sol de Mayo, a team of the town, and from there they took me to Rivadavia de Río Primera, neighboring town to Piquillín, and then I jumped to ArroyitoCultural, in Arroyito, I was climbing.

18.- Were you always striker?

–Noooo, arranqué de goalkeeper, because one of my uncles was an archer, but in a game we lost 4–0 and got angry, and I told Black Jovo, our May Sol coach: “No more short”.I planted, I always had personality, I would walk for the 8 or 9 years.Black sent me forward, I made a goal, in the next game another and ready, I was up.And when I went to Rivadavia I already played as a striker and we left champions.Every time I was going to my town, it was an obligation to come with the boys of that river team first to play a game and eat a roast.And we keep seeing.

19.- Were you put on those silver tournaments that are made in the villages?

–Yes, one day the team of my uncles lac.Night championships were made for silver, or for the piglet, then we also left on weekends to play neighboring towns, to places that had the court at school.I was 13 years old or 14 years old and faced with much older guys and I had to bank it, it is played strong, there is always some mammary around.More than once my uncles shitted trumpered because they hit me and they jumped to defend me.It was a beautiful stage.

two0.- You were not afraid of kicks?

–He kicked out I never had.That experience served me when I started in Spanish, where I almost did not do lower, because I had learned to be alive with my body, to bank the clashes.In those matches in the villages they mark great and bad guys, they told me back "Fucking asshole, Rajá there", I pinched me, they grabbed my hair when the referee did not look.In an era I had long hair, ha ha.

two1.- What club were Fan from Pibe?

–In my family, telling my old woman, his nine brothers, cousins and others, we are more than 70.And they are all Belgrano fans, all but my brothers and I, who leave workshops.Don't ask me why but we made workshops.And that we didn't have TV, much less money to go to the court, so we listened to the games on the radio.That issue was pending: go to the court with my friends or my brothers.When I played, I wanted to be Cachi Zelaya.I also loved Batistuta.There was some chance to play in workshops a few years ago, but I was already big and I didn't want to go wrong or my brothers had a hard time, because Córdoba is very soccer.

twotwo.- Did you have ease of putting many goals?

- The truth that yes.Barrera, Arroyito's coach, told me: "You will head very well, I never saw a boy from this area to head like this".When I trained Spanish again after bankruptcy, I was the kid of the pension that had remained and they called me to complete the first practice, and in a definition exercise, Pachorra Smaldone told coach Hilario Bravi: “To thisYou're going to leave it with us, I imagine, right? ”.It is seen that impressed that characteristic of the header.Luckily I did not go back to Pquillín at that time, because there they began to climb me with the first.Great Type Hilario Bravi.

two3.- Why were you going to return to Piquillín?

- Because Spanish had broken and the pension had to be left.The boys who lived like this, almost left for their provinces, had nowhere to stop.Guillermo Correa grabbed me, the pension manager, and said: "You are not leaving, you come to my house".I don't know why, I never asked it, in fact it is my friend and we are followed.It is seen that he fell well at that time, the point is that he led me to live home, in the monoblocks of Villa Soldati.There he lived with the woman, the son, two brothers and the mother, there were six people in an apartment, it was not a five environments, they had nothing left over.Guillermo gave me great teaching of what is generosity.Then, I sneaked into the preter to go to train the club.And at that time I fell the opportunity to go up to the first.

two4.- How did you reach Spanish?

- I played in the town and in clubs in the area and I was clear that I wanted to be a footballer.I went to a test that Ferro was doing in Río Tercero, they made me play 10 minutes, I put two head goals and spent that filter.I had to come to try Buenos Aires, they sent me to Ferro but since I didn't have the pension, I tried Spanish and I stayed there.I started at the beginning of 99.

two5.–Zona brava the Spanish to live.

–Yes, now it's quieter.We were very afraid to go out at night, was the Indo -American Park, we had to cross a alley with chiques (laughs), it was complicated.

two6.- What generates you to see how that club fell to pique?

–Uhhh, much sadness.Always keep contact with people of Spanish.On weekends it was filled with families, there were impressive pools, basketball gym, skates hockey, a divine club full of life, and from one day to the next one everything went to the devil.He broke down, they took half the club and although that part will not recover it I hope he can resurface.Soccer is not at your best moment, but I talk to the people who have children's schools and with the teachers, and they are very excited to hold it.Today, the same, if clubs do not have political aid or management, it becomes very complicated.

two7.–You fuel lavacopas at that time, can it be?

–When I lived in the pension.The Galicians got together at the bar in front of eating, a beautiful, very large community, and to make some sleeves, the owner of the pension gave us lavacopas laburo in the restaurant.The guy asked "Who comes tomorrow?"And I always raised my hand.It was little money, but it served us, and in passing we took advantage to eat well.The food at the pension was not the one that a nutritionist had recommended for lower boys, but we did what could be, there were not too many resources at that time. Había una familia que aportaba los fideos y nos tomábamos el eleven4 para ir a buscarlos, o los mismos gallegos que iban los fines de semana al club nos dejaban la comida que les sobraba. Llegamos a ser unos two0 en la pensión, debajo de la platea.

two8.- In Spanish you were champion of the B Metro.

–Así es, ascendimos al Nacional B en la cancha de Ferro en two00two, metí algunos goles importantes en esa campaña, me vio Caruso Lombardi y me pidió para All Boys.Ricardo knew of all the players, but I remember that when I got to the preseason, he came to see me in the room and said: “Do you see moon?I thought you were taller!You are a shit ”, ha ha.In All Boys I put 17 goals, and when Ricardo went to Tigre, he took me.I was not very convinced to go to Tigre, they told me that it was a brave club but Cacho Reassens, my usual representative, almost a father for me, convinced me: “Look that if you are doing well, it is a beautiful club, I onlySuccess are missing ".I had other possibilities in the National B, but we came to Tigre ... Luckily (laughs).

two9.-Caruso opted for you, but it's also spicy, did you have crosses with him?

- Ricardo tells you things in the face, he has no problems, but at the same time allows you to tell them.I have had a strong talk with him, more than anything in his second stage in Tigre, but always with respect.Today I see it and everything is good, I shit with laughter, it is impossible not to laugh with Caruso.

30.- Taco's goal to Platense to win the first championship with Tigre did you start becoming an idol?

- It was very important because Tigre had never won on that court, and if Platense beat us, it happened to us in the table and chau championship.We had a team and the goal, the truth, it was from Ojete (laughs): I was falling, with the black Banegas on top, I did not know if the referee was going to charge a penalty, the ball was left behind and I threw the taco.The goalkeeper did not expect her.On top of that I put the goal and I had all the people of Tigre ahead, in an exploited tribune, with many more people of the allowed, it was a total madness.In the previous.

Taco's historic goal and Tigre Champion

31."I once recreated, right?"

- A couple of times we did it in the Plaza de San Fernando, they wanted to emulate the celebration of Poy's goal to Newell’s.The fans gathered, one told, another threw the ball, I threw the taco in a small archite and we all ended up celebrating, ha ha, it was fun.

3two.- What was the key to that two -time tiger in the B Metro?

–What did more points than Chelsea, ha ha, as Caruso said.We were very colleagues, we had an incredible group, very good people, very hungry.Diego Castaño and Chimi Blengio, people with a lot of desire to play in First and who worked like crazy.We were very close and we had Caruso, the best coach in the category.

33.- You saw from within an impressive growth of the club.

–When I arrived there were barbed wires on the stands and when I left the blindex, it was something else.There was fear of going to C, there was no weight.Obviously it is key that someone helps to have more resources, and for those years Sergio (Massa) had entered the club.At first it rained inside the locker room, Cachito and Rolo, the users, had to put buckets;Castaño, who was tall, had to get crouched because he crashed with the tin roof under the gallery.That kind of thing also makes you strong, they drive you to improve.It was spectacular having grown from that point, doing something to make it in memory, that a group of people managed to transcend, is what we all look for at some point at some point.

3. 4.–Non you already perceived that Tigre could be your place in the world.

–I wanted to play in the A.The day we beat Platense celebrated, and at the same time I felt relief, as I said "I achieved the first objective".The other part was missing.When I arrived, not many people went to the court, I was hopeless and it was logical.When things started, people accompanied and burst the court.Play with the stands full every Saturday was spectacular and today it is incredible to see everything he achieved as an institution.I get followed by the neighborhoods, and I see many boys with t -shirts or tiger bounces, that's unpayable.

35.- You went to Racing.

–I came with my fiat uno, I parked it in the playón, and after a while the Audi, the BMW, the fucking mother, how bad I felt I felt...A few days later I went to change the car, I bought a Mercedes Class A, the most cheapest, but at least it was a Mercedes.Eye: No one had told me anything, I just tried to be a little at the height (laughs).

36.- Does the soccer environment measure you by status?

–It's a little like that, to look at the car you have, in the pilcha you use.It is a mistake, huh, and that is when they have to advise you the greatest, or the lower coaches, who first buy the department before the car.That should be the message to the kids who begin to win a mango because then it is a reality that the twine goes.I had many colleagues who made a twine and for boluding, or for not having anyone to tell him what the reality was like, they ended very badly.

37.–You happened to you: you came to Racing and you changed the car.

–But at the same time I saved to make the house to my old woman.I always separated something from the salary for the house, I was always very tidy with silver.In the football environment there are many friends of the champion who do the kids wrong, who advise them badly.They are dangerous.They take them to spend the twine in the imported car or km, to go on vacation to Miami, to go out to eat every day, and it is not so.I have seen many representatives that take them along that path, that they lower a speech of “if you do not have this or if you do not do this, do not exist” and it is not good.I prefer humble boys to handle other values.And other cars.

38.- Why did it go wrong in Racing?

–The turbulent times, with change of coaches and I had many shortcomings to play fast, as you have to play in first, that is the truth.Only in the second part, with Cholo (Simeone) I felt better.It cost me a lot at first playing one or two touches and being well profiled.In the ascent I had more time and if I controlled badly, I supplied it with a clash, put the body, and ready.Not here, here I controlled me and they drip me.I put a goal in a year, I had to go, but I just left.And i did it.

39.- How was that Simeone that started as DT?

- I had a few months of a partner and then, from one day to the next, he changed the chip and became a coach, in the background it was before, he carried it inside.As a partner, the preseason just started, he told me: "You are going to concentrate with me".It is seen that he fell well, I had a fear (laughs) ... in the practices he gave me some advice, that he did not always kick the arch, that if he touched her on the side he also was worth.And in the room he spoke all the time of football, Bielsa, Arrigo Sacchi, of all, I didn't understand anything, ha ha.As a technician, he already showed the intensity that is seen now, Profe.

40.- Trust is very important in the footballer, but I imagine that much more for the goalkeeper and the scorer, or not?

-Without a doubt.At one point, you need to put a goal sometimes to believe it.The psychological aspect is key, for better and worse, I think it would have to work more in football.When I felt that I was at my time, I could do anything and hit him with what was hitting him, it was a goal.And the opposite too: the arch closed and there was nothing to do.In great I learned to reassure myself at that time, I had a hand in hand and did not go crazy: a partner came to the side, he gave it to him, the partner put the goal and relieved me, I had made a good decision.Those things strengthen you.At least it happened to me older.

41.- Technical, physical conditions, character.What place does the head occupy in the footballer?

- It is one of the most important, for me, that positive thought of believing it in good sense.I learned to believe it a little late. En two008 o two009, decía “acá el que hace los goles soy yo”, me lo decía a mí mismo, hablaba solo, y se daba.At that time I began to go to the psychologist, but on my own, not in the club.And then I did a job with Andrea, a coaching that helped me a lot.

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4two.-How can I help you?

–With exercises, jobs, talks...There he spoke to the mirror or wrote what he wanted to do and worked on that.In the background, they are all tools that help you believe in you.When you pint at 30 and you start seeing that the end is approaching, that is also a subject, did you see?I started working with these things after I went wrong in Racing and Quilmes, I felt that I did not fit.And it did very well.

43.- Does the scorer born or do?

–I think we bring many things, but work is also very important.If you don't work on what you have innate, it's the same as nothing.It must be that I brought some ease to put goals, but I had to perfect myself.

44.- What is the scorer's abecé?

-The ubication.If you look at my goals, most were one or two touches, I never went to grab and go to four, I didn't have that ability or that power.So I had to know where to locate me.

Four. Five.–The best scorer you saw.

- I grew up looking and admiring Batistuta.There must be another, but I keep the bati.From any ball that fell, I put together a goal, I would have loved to kick how strong (laughs).

46.- How did you appear in Elche after your bad experiences in Racing and Quilmes?

–He got that chance Cacho Resssens, my representative.There we became friends with Willy Caballero, there was also Uruguayan Coelho, a selection player.We were in second and we couldn't rise, but it was a beautiful experience.My children want to go to know where I played, we had a trip to Spain, but with all this, it fell.

47.- What did you learn in Europe?

–To luck that the coach's assistant grabbed me and worried about improving me.Claudio Barragán is called.I played quite the Indian, and he stayed with me out of time to learn to receive profiled, do the controls better, things that had never told me, or maybe they had told me and I never understood."Hey, kid, come here," he told me at the end of the practices and I am happy that a coach would give me that ball, that I would like to help me. Cuando volví a Tigre en two008 noté la diferencia.

48.- Why did you stay only one year?

- I had gone on loan, Elche had to buy me and the option was half high, so I returned to Tigre, which had risen to First with Diego Cagna.I started playing, then I left, returned, and we arrived at that triangular final with San Lorenzo and Boca that escaped us as little little.

49.-In that triangular they won 1-0 in the last game to Boca, who was champion.If you put some more, the champions were you...

- We stayed at the door, maybe we needed to encourage us a little more.Beyond that it was a campaign and we put mouth in check, for me it was very painful;I wanted to be champion. El equipo venía haciendo una campaña espectacular, habíamos dado vuelta un 0–two contra Central en Rosario, pero fallamos en el primer partido del triangular con San Lorenzo, que perdimos two–1.There we were half cold. A Boca le ganamos el two3 de diciembre, nos fuimos todos a Piquillín para las fiestas y yo seguía colgado pensando en ese partido…

fifty.–You played in the League, from Quito.Do you feel the height or is it myth?

- What myth or myth!Of course you feel!In the first three months I could not adapt and the patón (Bauza) made me play a game yes and one no.There are two things that fuck in height: one is that you make the effort and take to recover to make the next effort.Your head hurts, it is not easy.And the other is the theme of the ball: it really goes faster and does not grab the comma, it is difficult to control it.

51.- How did you take with Bauza?

–The patón was one of the best coaches I had.For the way of talking to you, to make it believe, for its personality, it is a guy who passed by and everyone was silent, inspired that respect.One day, in a practice, my ball was long, I still didn't have the time."Chinese, control, Chinese, control, then you get angry if I don't put you!" Ha ha, what a phenomenon.League is a beautiful club, we compete for South American, Libertadores, we went to Japan, we won a couple of titles, a very orderly club.

5two.- Why did you leave, then?

–My children had a bad time: the twins were seven months and we had to intern them for the subject of oxygen and climate.One left the hospital and the other entered.I had to go play Uruguay or Argentina and I had my internship children, it was ugly, and when I saw that Tigre had to fight to save from the descent, I said: "We go there".

53.–You came to the club for something almost impossible.

- I needed to see if I was also prepared for such a challenge."You're crazy," Bauza told me, who is a super -partner of the player and with whom you could talk about.At that time there was an interested Turkey club."You tell me Turkey, go well, it's fine, but how are you going to Tigre to fight for the descent, did you see the points it has?", The patón told me, ha ha, Ja, Ja. Y sí, estábamos como two0 puntos abajo, era casi imposible.

54.–What hard it must be fighting for not descending.

-Its very stressful.In our case we won and won, but we continued in direct descent, only at the end we saw the possibility of entering the promotion.Luckily he agreed that Banfield made a bad campaign, we had a team.

55. –En la última fecha podían ir a la promoción o salir campeones y terminaron two–two con Independiente.Were they happy for Zafar or sad because they escaped their title?

–I was back, independent came bad but it was still a big team. Perdíamos two–1, empatamos y ahí había algunos que decíamos “vamos para adelante a ver si ganamos y salimos campeones” y otros decían “no, esperemos, cuidémonos a ver si nos embocan y terminamos en la Promoción”.We did not agree on the playing field, the Basque (Arruabarrena), a guy, wanted us to take care, the front with cheeks (Morales) we wanted to go to the front, we saw how we are the above.We were to the fucking in there, undecided.

56.–The rumor was that Grondona had ordered that Arsenal was champion and Tigre Zafara of the descent.There was something?

- Nah, there are so many things… they never told us "stay calm that they are going to tie and get out of the promotion". Al contrario, íbamos perdiendo two–1 y la pasábamos mal.The leader is going to tell you "I fixed this", the other will tell those of the other team, everything to look good, they are lies ...

57.- Were the court talk to Independiente's players?

–Yes, yes, it does.We reputed them to those of Independiente: "Children of a bitch, they did not win a game throughout the year and want to win it right now, let yourself be fucking".Those things talk between players for the despair of the moment.

58.- What did you most caught in River?

–That talk all the time in the media, just like Boca, that becomes a bit heavy.One represents all institutions all the time, but in these clubs you have the magnifying glass on all times, so you have to be very careful.That of River was one of the best groups I joined, we had arrived several at the same time: Barovero, Mercado, Botinelli, Vangioni, the Chinese Rojas ...

59.–What evaluation do you make of your passage through River?

–I.The first semester, with Almeyda, did not play so much, but in the second, with Ramón, I did more and put six goals, I think.In fact, I could have stayed, Ramón didn't want me to go, but Teo Gutiérrez came and I imagined that I was not going to have many chances, so I preferred to go to Central."Where are you going to go, Facha?" I screwed me Ramón, told me facha, ha ha.

60.- At least you played a superclassic.

–Cinco minutos en Córdoba, en uno de verano que ganamos two-0 con goles de Mora y Trezeguet, y cinco minutos en la Bombonera, el día en que Ramón hizo con el dedito que no había descendido, ja ja.A genius Ramón.At that moment I came with a good streak of entering and putting it, and inside it said: "One I want to have, one," but I didn't have it.It was very little time.

61.- And the classic Rosario?

–I'll be in two, one as a starter.It was the year in which Central returned to First and we won the two. En un clásico metí un pase gol y ganamos two–1, fue un pase medio de palomita, así que después jodieron con la palomita de Poy.What am I sure is that there is no more brave classic than Newell’s - central.There they are totally crazy, it is a mouth -river but compressed in a city and they are very passionate.

6two.- Did it cost you a lot to give the weight in your career?

- Never, at all, but you are not the first to ask me, I look like Gordo, Che?

63.- What is the goal celebration taking your tongue?

–He raised with Gonzalo González, a partner in Tigre, we made games, we loaded and I got that.I went into a streak and stayed as a cabal.

64– Why did you decide to peel?

–When we ascended with Spanish, it was comfortable, I felt it headed stronger, and it was.In the pandemic I let my hair grow ... and eye that I had good, huh!

65.- Do you think you did three goals in a match at Boca de Palermo and Riquelme?

–Mateo y Tobías, los mellizos, son futboleros, tienen eleven años, y Vitto tiene 3, la gente de por acá sabe quiénes son, entonces los saludan, por ahí van a un lugar y no les cobran, les mandan regalos, no sé si entenderán.That year of the goals to Boca came sharp and they did not come so well.In fact, when they introduced me in Quito League, they did it by saying that it was the one who had put three goals to Boca in a game, I ha, I stole a little with that (laughs).When the game that we won 3–0 ended, in the note they asked me if I had asked for a shirt and I said that I would have liked to have Palermo's, but that I had not encouraged me to ask for it.The next day, a TyC Sports producer contacted Martín and said: "Look that I'm going to send you the shirt so I send me yours, I enjoy it, I congratulate you".A phenomenon.

Tigre 3 vs..Boca 0, Luna Triplet

66.- Did they ever encourage you?

–Yes, it is very common in football.I always said the same: if you want to pay me to win, pay me, I already charge a salary and I will want to win the same.That money is always charged, it is part of the codes.To go back they never offered me.

67.–Did Maradona met him?

- No, and it is something that was pending.I would have loved, to thank him.The guy taught us, those who had that unique toy that was the ball, which could be happy and our life could be improved and that of our people through that unique toy.The day Diego died was having lunch at home watching TV and I started crying.And my children started crying when I saw me like this.And then I locked myself in my room and cried all day.That guy is what we always wanted to be.

68.- With Messi, could you share any dialogue?

-Either.That boy is also great.I cried just the game in Brazil and they were all the teammates to hug him, Noooo, leave fucking (his eyes get red, he gets excited), Leo deserved it, it was many years in the national team and four lost final finals.I listen to many to say that Messi now believes leader.No, a type of those is always leader, it is impossible that it is not.

69.Maradona or Messi?

–They are different times, for me it is more difficult to stand out, there are fewer spaces, everyone knows you better because everything looks throughout the world, but the guy does the same. Lleva fifteen años allá arriba, estadísticamente es un animal, no hay con qué darle.If you hurry Messi, but there is also the emotional issue, and we Argentines worship Maradona because he won a World Cup and because he is the rebel, and all Argentines have some of that rebellion of that rebellion.

70.- What do you think of this selection of Scaloni?

-I like it a lot.Although he has not directed anything before, Scaloni is a very prepared boy and is well surrounded.Aimar, Ayala and Samuel are not improvised, they have a great race made, a lot of selection on top, they are not randomly.Chose the players well and knew how to take the group.It was noticed that the group was very close and strong, and that is very important.

71.–How did you leave or were they?

–Yo tenía contrato hasta junio de two0two1, pero venía pasándola mal desde hacía un tiempo.Since we left champions, in Córdoba, against Boca, it had been having a bad time, in reality.I should have gone at that time, but I stayed because Pipo (Gorosito) was still.That was a winning group, we thought we were going to return to the A quick, but things did not come out, Pipo left and I spent it worse.

7two.–What was bad to have a bad time?

- I was annoying, I was angry all the time, the results did not happen, I saw that everything went to shit and that we would not be able to return quickly, and I was wrong the penalty in the reduced on the student court against San Martín de San Juan, we were eliminated and said: "Ready, here it ended". Fue justo el día de mi cumpleaños, el 17 de enero de two0two1.

73.- That day you made the decision to leave, then.

–Yes, because I had already accumulating.I greeted all my colleagues and those who had the most relationship apologized for the wrong penalty, the props also.I told them "that's it", I felt like bad, even if they stayed five more months of contract.That's what happened.It is also real that with the leadership I had a special relationship, I felt that it could have been better after all the story I had in the club.

74.- But you did not publicly announce that you left.

- I went to Piquillín a week, I played the ball with my brothers and friends to see if I wish me, I kept a last option.During my career, whenever I went on vacation, a week I already wanted to go back to train and now it didn't happen to me, I didn't feel like it, so I convinced myself that it was the end.The day I had to go back to training I didn't want to get out of bed, I felt an anguish that I had never felt before, my chest hurt.Agustín Cardozo came, a great kid who always passed the house to go together, prepared the mate, but I did not want to go.In the end I went to talk to Diego Martínez.

75.- How was that talk with Martínez?

–Well, I already knew that the coach was not going to take into account, I was already playing little, and nobody from the club did not talk to me to continue.Diego told me that I planned to give Enzo Díaz opportunities, Pablo (Magnín) also stayed and said: "I can't anymore, maybe this was the push I needed".With Diego I have a good relationship, we had been colleagues in All Boys, even a few years ago I had recommended it with the president of Tigre.

76.–Then it was a decision of yours.

- I was saturated, I had been having a bad time, as I told you, but I think it could have been done differently, we all wrong perhaps, it could have been done in a healthier way.I lacked three goals for the historical record and I think "I could have made this semester", what do I know.Today I don't miss, I didn't regret it, in fact I looked at all Tigre matches and I don't want to come back.Sometimes the boys from the campus tell me "old man, make you a roast" and I do it and some come to eat.

77.- Do you say that if the leadership had insisted a little, you might have five more months to fulfill the contract and reach the record?

- And ... well, in fact at another time I had stayed because the team needed it.I am also clear that I was not to play as a starter, everyone knows the place it occupies.I would have been substitute and entering a little while, but hey, there things were given ... I do not regret it, and look that I was very afraid to stop playing, because all my ex -partners told me: “No, boludo, you are fine, then you're going to miss, look, I'm still being treated, I can't overcome it ”.Several told me, but I think I had already been inconsciously preparing me.

78.- Isn't it angry to have been three goals to be the top scorer in Tigre's history?

–A little, it may be, but things happened like this.Maybe he will remember me for other things, to say the things he felt, for the important goals.At the time I wanted to reach 100 goals, and I succeeded.

His best goals in Tigre

79.- Beyond your little desire to play, did Martínez end up going down or the leadership?

–I.I was still in the club for the people, for the fan, I also allowed me that because I wanted the fans to always remember me, I wanted to continue to score more goals.

80.- Did you surprise you that the fans were to say goodbye to your home?

- The truth that yes, porque era un momento en que no se podía salir masivamente, a comienzos de este año, y vinieron más de mil personas, una locura.I was excited to get many families, big people, guys, all genuine fans.I am a guy who does not like quilombos and could have done them, but I didn't want.We even have been chatting with the leadership because they want them to make a game goodbye when people return to the stadiums.

81.- How was that farewell move?

–I learned that they wanted to do it at the corner of the court.I found out who organized it and as they talked about them to set fire and I don't know what else, as there is always an exalted and I was afraid of breaking things, I asked them not to go to the stadium, that they came to the corner of the house. Imaginé que serían two0 o fifty tipos, pero vinieron más de mil.He started in the afternoon and ended at night, and until I signed them and took pictures with each of those who had gone, I did not leave.

8two."Did you close a lot?"

- I'm getting excited, I cry a lot, I'm quite fag (laughs).I made strength for a while to endure, but it was impossible for me.It was nice, very nice, even today people continue to come to the neighborhood where I live and leave t -shirts to sign them, leave gifts, those of the guard call me every time to let me know, because people found out where I lived.I sign and then look for things.The Tiger fan is very affectionate with me.

Tigre farewell

83.–He had chances that you will finish your career in Deportivo Español?

- I would have enchanted me, and in fact I spoke with the people of Spanish, but I was absolutely sincere: "I am empty, I have nothing more to give".It was what I felt.That's, don't play anymore, that's very clear.

84.- Are you to Tigre to ascend in this championship with Magnín's goals?

–Tigre has the best squad in the category, but well, then you have to demonstrate it in the matches.And as for Paul, he is a terrible scorer, and a working boy, I know him because I shared squad with him, of those kids that reach the gym early, serious to work, a phenomenon.

85.- You are behind and you see your career: was it more than what you imagined?

- It is more than I imagined, yes, and if I had believed in me before, or I would have wanted things with the intensity with which I wanted them when I matured, maybe it would have been an even better career.I am not a technically endowed, I had a lot of control and pass, or return to a touch, and I worked it, since Hilario Bravi grabbed me in Spanish and made me kick the ball against the wall.

86.–The best technical director you had.

–You have many good ... (think), but if I have to say one, I choose Gustavo Alfaro.For his driving capacity, for his way of living football, knowing him and for what he asked you.

87.–Your happiest day and your saddest day in football.

- The happiest was when we left champions with Tigre, in Córdoba, and the saddest, when I missed the penalty this year and retired.

The Chinese harangue before the final with Boca

88.- Did you enjoy the title you won in Tigre despite descending almost at the same time?

–I think I still enjoy it (laughs) ... I have not spent a longIt is impossible, I have to go to live elsewhere (laughs).Of course, new demands are always generated, such as returning to First, and that is imposed, but with that group of players we gave the fans a joy that they needed so much, for which they had dreamed so much, a star that the clubI had been so close to getting four times in recent years.Do you know the pride that is to go through the stadium and see that star there?It was deserved by the public of Tigre, the northern zone could not leave the first division without having achieved something.We descend, but we did it.

89.–Tus best football friends.

- I have a lot of friends, people who helped me a lot in my career and those I keep watching, but if I have to name two I tell you Diego Castaño and also a great partner who always took care of me, who is the wolf Ledesma.

90.–I see that you have contact with many people from your beginnings.It's not so common.

- With everyone, yes, I like to do it, and healthily, without any interest, I do not forget the beginnings, I feel that everything I am owed to my family, my childhood friends, to the boys of Rio Primero, to the person in charge of the Spanish pension, to many, and I want to continue seeing them.I need to have them in my life.

91.- You excite you when talking about several issues, you are easy tear.I imagine that it will have cost you to be authentic in a closed and macho atmosphere, that of football.

–I.It is a closed atmosphere.It doesn't bother me to express myself as I am, it makes you more authentic, many who are excited not to prove it.It is a problem, because if you cry they are about lazy.Look also what happens with the theme of homosexuals: there are athletes from different disciplines that assume it and tell it, but in football there are none.How can it be?They do not say them for prejudices, because the environment is not ready to accept it. Cuando yo empecé a ir al psicólogo hace fifteen años a mí me daba vergüenza contarlo públicamente por lo que pudieran decir.Today changed a little, luckily.

9two.- Do you worry the day later?I ask you about what you told me about former teammates with whom you were talking about.

–I'm very quiet, I think it's time to start doing something else.I was afraid of what could happen to me, what I could feel, but the truth is that there are more six months and I don't miss anything.Look that I really enjoyed taking mate with the users, being in the locker room with my colleagues, making jokes, but I don't miss anything.It is true that on the way I created different things and I was preparing.The problem in football is that many do not prepare for the day after, for a second activity linked or not to football.

93.- How do you see the football atmosphere?

- I renegated a lot of this environment, it always bothered me that the player did not give the prominence that he really has, to see him only as a business and not as a person.From all areas, huh: from the representative, from the leader and from journalism.It is a complicated issue.When I was inside, I tried to lower another message to the boys, I spoke to them to open their eyes.There is a lot.In the pandemia I met many young players to whom the representatives did not give them more money or called them more.They are vultures.

94.-What are you doing today?

–I'm bored, ha,.I have the coach course, already armed a coaching staff with Diego Castaño and Profe I am thinking what to do.

95.- For these elections?

–Yes, and of different political forces.I am analyzing it with Cacho [Recasens], and with friends and family, who try to make one wrong.Several years ago I participate in social actions, I am passionate to be able to help, but I don't want to do it at any price.I am afraid of the crap world that seems to be politics and I do not want to be as one more.It is difficult to get a positive image during a whole race, and risk losing it throws me a little back.I don't know, we'll see, if there is any proposal to participate from another place, an NGO or something, maybe I decide.The issue is that from politics you have many more chances of doing what you think ... whenever they let you do it, of course (laughs).

96.- You participated in several days of the child in the northern zone.

- I have participated for many years, I'm going to celebrate with the boys, I move to get them things.I am very hurt by the vulnerability of boys, today they have many food, psychological, education, quilombos in families, you have to be generous in these issues, it may have to do with my childhood, we all load with our mambos and stories on top.From my experience, I emphasize that the Argentine was always very supportive, there are many families who came to give things without having too much.

97.- How do you define yourself politically?

–I have my Peronist roots, but today everything is so into...

98.- How do you transmit messages to your children, who live in a reality very different from the one you grew up?

- I take them to the neighborhoods so that they are with the children who have less, they come with me to those children's day celebrations, they play ball with the boys, they get into their homes to drink water.I explain that when there are, there are and when not, no.I put limits...

99.- What does piquillin mean for you?

–It's my place in the world.When he played, he always returned to the town just ended each tournament, he had to return at least twice a year.If I have two days, now I escape, they are 6 hours of travel more or less.It happens to me that I am one day in piquillín and ready, I feel good.I never got used to this quilombo here.When I get to the town, under the windows of the car and I want to smell, and that smell of land generates something special, it connects me to my origins.And it happens to me that I start crying, I am an old ball, but it is so.I greet one, greet another...And you do not know what the end of the year are: we get together the 70s, ask who comes and there we organize what we bring, usually a lamb, a pigeon and a rib.And we dance, we sing, I play the hype, it's great.

100.- What do your children tell you when they see you crying in the car for no apparent reason?

- "Again dad crying," they say, ha,.I always tell you that they will already understand me.Now they are entering an age that you break the eggs go there, then I say: "Ready, you don't come, but I'm going the same".I don't know what makes me cry, I can't explain it, I have images of childhood, friends, how we grew up.Yesterday, I was in the town, we ate the cannellonis that my old woman made and then we went out to the courtyard to play the bowls and the people begin to greet and tell anecdotes.I always talked little about my work, I like listening more, and they have fun the bullshit they tell.I am very happy in those moments.

Claudio Ariel Luna